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Strife Interview – Tom Keatinge (RUSI) on Financial Intelligence

December 18, 2017 by Strife Staff

 

The issue of terrorism financing has become a major international concern in the past few years. For instance, in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the US President George W. Bush decided to target finances, and therefore issued Executive Order 13224. Similarly, the November 2015 Paris Attacks have resulted in further efforts to targeting terrorism financing, such as the UNSCR Resolution 2253.

Strife’s William Moray discusses these issues, and others related to financial crime, with Tom Keatinge. Mr Keatinge is the Director of the Centre for Financial Crime and Security Studies at RUSI, and an Alumnus of King’s College London, where he read an MA in Intelligence & International Security. He advocates the importance of Financial Intelligence (FININT) and argues in favour of shifting the international community’s approach from solely focusing on ‘attempting to stop terrorists’ finances’ to ‘using finance to stop terrorists’.

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Tom Keatinge is the Director of the Centre for Financial Crime and Security Studies at RUSI

WM – What is financial intelligence? What purpose does it hold?

TK – The financial sector produces a vast amount of data. This information is owned by the private sector, and is generally not shared with the public sector, i.e. the security authorities. There are mechanisms, such as suspicious transaction reporting, that require the private sector to share this information with governmental authorities. However, a considerable amount of financial information is never used by the authorities, because it was never shared with them in the first place, and so effectively, it is thrown away.

So, the question is, can a more intelligent use of that broad information collected by the financial institutions be used? Can we create mechanisms that can allow the security authorities to access such data, as they can for example with mobile phone companies? If you just think about your own use of your ATM card, or you credit card, and so on, it tells you a huge amount about yourself. It generates a huge amount of information, and arguably intelligence about who you are, what you do, or who are you connected with.

We feel very strongly, here at the Centre for Financial Crime and Security Studies, that we need to do more to use this vast amount of bulk information that financial institutions generate, just as we use the bulk information that internet service providers and mobile companies produce.

 

WM – How could this information be used in counter-terrorism (CT)?

TK – In a CT effort, financial intelligence has proven to be very effective at accelerating the ability of the security authorities to develop networks. There tends to be a reason for people paying money to one another, as they tend to be subsequently connected. That can help you identify not just who is connected to whom, but also how the balance of power lies, who might be the leader, or where have these people travelled together. The point is that the vast quantity of situational information that can be generated from financial transactions opens a similarly significant number of networks and facilitates generating further leads to investigate.

From a CT perspective, we obviously want to have every opportunity to identify actors who are planning attacks. For example, regarding the London Bridge attack: who are the perpetrators connected to? Of course, not everyone they have financial relations with will be terrorists or terrorist-related. However, there might be more people worth watching more closely, and those connections are sometimes easier to identify in this day and age through financial means than through communication means – communications data is often encrypted nowadays, whereas financial connections are not encrypted, because at the beginning and the end are banks, and banks are legally required to share their suspicions and to share data when requested with the authorities.

 

Eight people were killed and 48 injured during the June 2017 London Bridge attack (Credit Image: Dominic Lipinski / PA Wire)

 

WM – So financial intelligence would not just help in a terrorist investigation, it might also help in the prevention of attacks?

TK – I am very cautious to say that financial intelligence is somehow a silver bullet. I would not suggest that. What I would suggest is that it adds an additional, extremely valuable dimension to the picture that the authorities can create, when undertaking CT operations. There may well be information, as well as connections and activities that are not exposed by CCTV cameras or by communications data, but that are revealed by financial intelligence.

 

WM – Isn’t there a risk here to data privacy / data collection?

TK – Historically, the relationship between the authorities and banks was founded inbank secrecy and privacy. For instance, the authorities told the banks ‘We trust you to manage your data, to look after your data. If you see anything suspicious, please let us know’. In other words, the authorities respected bank secrecy. Yet, over the years, this trust has declined; banks have proven – either wittingly or otherwise – to facilitate money laundering, tax evasion, and so on. Therefore, bank secrecy is perhaps not as sacrosanct as it used to be. What we clearly need to be cognisant of is that banks hold a huge amount of personal data on all of us, and that data needs to be used responsibly. People got very concerned about the kind of access that the authorities might have to communications data over recent years; consider amongst other things, the reaction to the Snowden leaks. We need to make sure that we do not fall into the same trap with financial data, that privacy is protected, and subsequently that there are the right protections on access that the authorities can have to our financial data.

In an extreme situation, just like the case of Apple with the iPhone and the San Bernardino shooting, you may find that some banks might say ‘You customers can trust me, I am going to be the Apple bank, I will only provide the authorities with the information I am legally required to. And I am not going to allow access to any additional information on a voluntary basis’.

So I think there is an important need for a debate about privacy and financial intelligence to be taking place now, before we end up in a situation where people discover their data is being used for CT purposes without them really realising what is going on.

 

WM – I suppose that you are in touch with various institutions such as banks to discuss financial intelligence. What is their reaction?

TK – When dealing with a financial institution, I think it is important to divide it into two parts.

On the one hand, you have those who are responsible for financial crime and compliance, who often have a law enforcement or a security background, and completely understand the power of data, and indeed perhaps even that of financial intelligence.

On the other hand, you have staff who are doing the business on the trading floor, in the branches and so on; they of course can feel a long way away from the financial crime compliance department and thus are less likely to understand the value of financial intelligence; it’s not part of their job

There is also a public relations issue in all of this: the banks obviously have had very bad press and PR in recent years; and thus, demonstrating that you as a financial institution are either contributing to the disruption of human trafficking, of wildlife trade, or contributing to CT efforts, is obviously a positive message to deliver to your customers.

I do not want to sound completely cynical, the financial institutions clearly do see the importance of doing this from a social and security perspective. But there is also an obvious desire to show that they are, as one of the banks has it as its tagline, ‘here for good’, and that they are not just here for profit.

 

WM – Moving on to the state perspective, who is more likely to be involved? The intelligence community and/or law-enforcement agencies?

TK – There are different forms of information sharing models around the world.

In the UK, the information sharing partnership is called the Joint Money Laundering Intelligence Task Force. It is a partnership between the private sector and the public sector that is effectively run by the National Crime Agency. So here, we are not talking about security authorities, but law enforcement. There is a working group which looks specifically at terrorism financing but again, these initiatives are run by law enforcement, not by the security authorities.

But clearly information sharing goes beyond CT alone.  The process of sharing information aims to identify and disrupt a range of different kinds of financial crimes, not just terrorist financing. Different countries have different priorities: in the UK, these are human trafficking, trade based money laundering, corruption, terrorism financing. In Hong-Kong, they have a Fraud and Money Laundering Intelligence Taskforce, as fraud is one of their big focuses.

In other words, the sharing of information underpins tackling threats that are particular to each individual country, not just terrorism.

 

WM – What are your views on the impact financial intelligence, information sharing might have on intelligence cooperation?

TK – One of the great frustrations a financial institution has is that it holds information in different countries, and yet it is often legally unable to get the benefit of bringing that information together and looking at it holistically. And even in the cases banks can do that, if they succeed in creating a complete picture out of all this information, the law often restricts them to only give a slice of the picture to the relevant country. For instance, if they draw on information from the UAE, from Singapore, from the UK, and from Mexico, they cannot give the whole picture to each country, they have to give just the Mexican slice to the Mexicans, the UAE slice to the Emiratis, and so on.

The financial sector has tremendous difficulties with cross-border information sharing. At the same time, I have to say that the financial sector has more ability to get a transnational global picture with its analysis than countries do. Therefore, I think there is an opportunity for financial institutions to facilitate the creation of global threat pictures, where sometimes governments are more restricted on what they can and cannot share. I am thinking about cases where banks simultaneously operate in Five Eye countries and in African or South-East Asian states, such countries where information sharing with Five Eyes is probably zero. Whereas the banks have a pretty good picture of the financial flows and thus potentially have a pretty good picture of some of the emerging threats that might be developing. The question then is how do they use that information? Can they help governments overcome some of these cross-border information-sharing challenges? Again, that brings us back to the issues of data privacy, data collection; we should not be using the financial sector as a back door to circumvent the protections and procedures imposed on the ability of states to share information.

 


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Extremism, environment, and new security dynamics: Strife in conversation with RUSI Director, Dr. Karin von Hippel

June 2, 2016 by Harris Kuemmerle

Interviewed by: Harris Kuemmerle

Yazidi_refugees
Yazidi refugees in Northern Syria. Source: Wikimedia

Harris Kuemmerle – Where do you see climate change fitting within the wider European security dynamic moving forward? Do you feel that European policy makers adequately appreciate the security risks of climate change? Or is it still seen as somewhat of a secondary security issue?

Karin von Hippel – I think we all need to focus much more on the longer term security impacts of climate change. For example, many scientists have argued that the drought in Syria, which began in 2006, contributed to the civil war as it forced many people (notably farmers) to move to urban areas. We need to prepare for similar challenges in the future, especially in parts of the Middle East and Africa, where scarce resources will cause more people to compete, which in turn, will lead to more conflict.

I cannot say for certain if the Europeans appreciate this more or less than others. While it is common to discuss the threat posed by climate change, I’m not sure we are all doing as much as we can today to prepare for different scenarios tomorrow. That really is the crux of the issue. At RUSI, we are establishing a Futures Programme, looking at issues such as migration, robotics, space, climate change, conflict, etc and where and how they may intersect over the next 15 to 20 years, and what this will mean for our common security. Governments, multilateral institutions, academia and the private sector need new tools to anticipate and plan for such uncertainty.

HK – Is it fair to say then that environmental issues haven’t quite internalised themselves within the primary security paradigms and agendas?

KvH – That’s an interesting question. In the United States the military and intelligence communities are very forward leaning in this space. By contrast, the rest of the U.S. government may be lagging, primarily because so many officials end up being consumed by the crises of the moment and have very little spare time to focus on future threats

HK – The integration of coal markets was one of the founding elements of the European project. With that being said, do you feel that increased energy interdependence among member states has the potential to again be a key driver of European integration moving forward? Or could energy instead serve as a driver of disintegration?

KvH – I think that energy issues in Europe have indeed led to some challenges. For example, some countries have a closer relationship with Moscow, and need to rely on Russian oil; and that has made it very difficult within Europe to have unity over issues such as the Ukraine crisis. Honestly, I don’t see energy interdependence operating as an integrating factor within Europe in the near future. Indeed, energy may be more likely to lead to fracturing because of the reliance of some countries on Russian oil supplies.

HK – How would you define the term radicalisation with regards to people joining terrorist or other extremist groups?

KvH – That’s a good question, and it’s similar with the term “fundamentalist”. The way we [at RUSI], and researchers like myself look at it is by asking whether or not such extreme views lead to violence. You could be radical and fundamental in your beliefs, but if you are not going to channel your radical beliefs into violence (especially violence against civilians) then it’s not a security issue. If you are going to use violence as a tool to try to impose your belief system, then radicalism or fundamentalism is a problem.

Ultimately (provided such groups are not violent) people have a right to their beliefs. We may not agree but freedom of expression is a fundamental tenet of any democracy. This doesn’t mean we should be ignoring extremist, non-violent groups – and in fact – we should be thinking of ways of keeping communication channels open with such groups as they may have individuals who decide to leave precisely because such groups are not violent. Hence communication could help security and other officials identify potential terrorists-in-the-making. The challenge is that these relationships are hard to establish because many extremist groups (on the left or right) often do not trust the authorities or outsiders.

HK – What would you suggest have been the greatest strengths and weakness of current US policy with regards to counter terrorism and counter extremism? Why?

KvH – I think everyone is struggling with understanding what radicalises people, especially with ISIL, which is very different from previous terrorist groups. The numbers of people joining ISIL are much higher than those joining groups like al-Qaeda or al-Shabaab. In the past few years, between 1,500 and 2,000 people a month have travelled to join ISIL. In recent months, these numbers have been reduced significantly, to around 200 a month; though that is still way higher than those joining al-Qaeda or al-Shabaab. There is definitely something else going on with ISIL, be it the so-called Caliphate or the extreme violence they employ – we don’t really understand the appeal of ISIL as well as we should. As a result we are making too many untested assumptions, and throwing a whole lot of money on those assumptions. I’m afraid we still need to do more research to understand this issue better.

Ultimately radicalisation is very location-specific, each recruit will have a very specific set of reasons to join, based on local grievances. Recruits from Iraq, Minneapolis, or Birmingham will all have distinct motivations. So you really need to understand what is happening in these particular areas, in addition to understanding the global appeal of these organisations.

HK – Are there other cases of past or present radicalisation that we can draw upon to help tackle groups like ISIS? For example, the case of gang membership in urban areas?

KvH – Yes, these issues are definitely comparable. I was recently at a conference speaking with Gary Slutkin, the founder of Cure Violence, an organisation that has done some great work in reducing gang violence all over the world (it was launched in Chicago, but has since spread globally because their methodology works). They employ interruptors and former gang members to play a role in preventing violence. They borrow a methodology used by health workers to stop the spread of pandemics. So there are definitely successes out there, and techniques which one can borrow from adjacent fields, provided you are able to tweak it to make it work for your purposes.

HK – Given the importance of an enabling environment in facilitating radicalisation, in your opinion, what would be the best way to prevent such an enabling environment in Syria or other such parts of the world?

KvH –ISIL emerged from the civil war in Syria, I think a more robust U.S. approach to Syria would have helped prevent the country deteriorating as much as it has. I understand why President Obama did not want to do more than he was doing, as he was worried about the unintended consequences, as we saw in Libya. On the other hand, I think the U.S. government by 2014 knew many more Syrians than it did Libyans, and it had lots of relationships with people on the ground, through training programmes and other non-lethal support to opposition activists. Had the US bombed around the time the red lines were crossed, I think it would have made a big difference and ISIL would not have been able to capitalise on the space as they did. Though this is of course all conjecture and impossible to prove, it’s just my personal belief.

ISIL has been able to thrive in Syria primarily because they are experts at filling power vacuums and taking advantage of chaotic situations. ISIL’s territorial holdings have changed frequently since 2014 and they have been in sporadic conflict with a range of militias, including opposition fighters, the Kurds, aL-Qaeda, Hezbollah, the Syrian regime, and recently the Russians. Unfortunately, the longer Western powers essentially watch from the sidelines, with minimal assistance, the worse it’s going to get.

HK – In your experience, do you think gender is a concept that is understood and engaged enough in counterterrorism policy and practice? Can you offer an example to highlight this?

KvH – Women play a role in preventing family members from being radicalised. They also can play a negative role and contribute to radicalisation of friends and family members. The interesting thing about ISIL is that more women are joining ISIL than have joined other groups in the past, and we are doing research to try to understand this issue and ultimately understand the way women perceive the phenomenon.

HK – Finally, in your calculations, would a British exit from the EU have a net positive or negative impact on British and European Security?

KvH – We have been looking at the security implications of Brexit at RUSI, and from this perspective, it makes more sense for Britain to remain (e.g., to enhance/build on the common arrest warrant, sharing of intelligence, etc), but at RUSI we do not take a corporate position on Brexit.

 

 

Dr Karin von Hippel became Director-General of the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) on 30 November 2015. Karin von Hippel joined RUSI after recently serving as Chief of Staff to General John Allen, Special Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter-ISIL. Karin has also worked as a Deputy Assistant Secretary in the Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations and as a Senior Adviser in the Bureau of Counterterrorism at the US Department of State. Prior to that, she worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, DC and at the Centre for Defence Studies at King’s College London. She has also worked for the United Nations and the European Union in Somalia and Kosovo.

Harris Kuemmerle is a doctoral researcher in the Department of War Studies and the Department of Geography at King’s College London. His research focuses on the intra and inter-state hydropolitics of the Indus River. Twitter: @HarrisKuemmerle

Filed Under: Interview Tagged With: #COIN, Al Shabab, al-Qaeda, Brexit, Counter-Extremism, counterterrorism, Energy, Environment, Europe, extremism, feature, foreign policy, ISIL, ISIS, RUSI, Russia, security, UK, USA

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